Sunday, May 22, 2011


Reason 4

In order to understand this reason, you must first understand The Trinity. The Trinity is the main tenet of Christianity. It's not necessarily 3 in 1, meaning 3 Beings = 1 God, but that is the best way I know how to describe It. I understand The Trinity, yet I am unable to teach or explain It myself. Here are a few sources to help in understanding The Trinity. And as I mentioned before in Reason 2, God is working in three.

     From on The Trinity (Christianity):

God is a Trinity of persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son. The Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the same person as the Father. They all are eternal, divine, and omniscient.

     Objections to the Trinity are that it is not logical. Logic should not rule scripture. If it is from God, there will be things in it that are difficult to understand. Additionally, the fingerprints of God are seen all over creation. In Romans 1:20, it says that the invisible attributes of God are clearly seen in creation. Creation is made up of a trinity of trinities: time, space, and matter. Time is past, present, and future. Each "part" is different, yet they are all of the same nature: time. Space is height, width, and depth. Each "part" is different, yet they are all of the same nature: space. Matter is solid, liquid, and gas. Each "part" is different, yet they are all of the same nature: matter.

Jesus (Christianity):

Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. Jesus is both God and man. He is fully God and fully man (Col. 2:9). He was in the form of God, emptied Himself, and became a man (Phil. 2:5-8). As the God man, He is the mediator (1 Tim. 2:5). Jesus was not created (John 1:1-3), but is the creator of all things (Col. 1:16-17).

God is a Trinity, knows all things (1 John 3:20), can do all things (Jer. 32:17, 27 - except those things against His nature like lie, break His word, cheat, steal, etc.), and is everywhere all the time (Psalm 119:7-12).

See this link to for the Trinity Explained in Four Sentences. John 1:1-4 - the-trinity-explained-in-four-sentences

     In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.

     ...reality of the Trinity...God comes in three modes: Absolute and unchanging ("God"), exuberantly creative ("Word"), and personally and specifically inside of each and every man ("the light of men")...ineffable mystery of the three-in-one-God. There, in four (heartbreakingly elegant) sentences, is the basis for the entirety of Christianity...Jesus is the perfect means by which God's absolute, undifferentiated power is physically, corporeally's how a thing moves from the world of...God, to the...human world in which God became Jesus...

     Deuteronomy 4:35 and 6:4
the LORD Himself is God
The LORD our God, the LORD is one!

     1 Kings 8:60
the LORD is God

     Isaiah 9:6 and 43:10-11 and 45:18 and 46:9
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

...I am He...I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no Savior.

For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."

...For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me,

     Mark 12:29
...the LORD our God, the LORD is one.

     John 10:30
Jesus answered them, "I and My Father are one."

     Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

     Philippians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

     Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

     1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

     Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Jesus created all spirit beings (angels) including Lucifer.

     Colossians 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

     Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord,...To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

Jesus was Born in Bethlehem.

     Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem...

Jesus is God come in the Flesh - The Lord God Almighty

     John 1:14 and 8:28 and 8:58 and 17:3-5
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.

Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

     1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

     Titus 2:13-14
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

     Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

     1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

So to sum it up, The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost are One. If Jesus was God, is God, and always will be God, then there is no way that He can be anything else, including the spirit brother of Satan.

LDS doctrine of Jesus:

God and Jesus are two completely separate Beings both with a physical body. Jesus is the literal Son of God and is a separate resurrected man with a physical body, and the Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body; meaning three completely separate Gods. (Also see Reason 3, ONE GOD). The Trinity is an office held by three separate gods: a god called the father, a god called the son, and a god called the holy spirit. The error of this is that they assume a "person" must be in a fleshly form, see

     Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also, but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

LDS also teach that Jesus was Born of Mary at Jerusalem, HE Progressed to Godhood by Obeying the Laws and Ordinances of the Gospel, Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, and all of us are literal spirit children born in a pre-existence and are the literal offspring of God the Father and His goddess wife. This is contradictory to the orthodox view of the Trinity and also teaches that there is more than one God.

     D & C 93:21
And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;

     Pearl of Great Price: Abraham 3:27
And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

     Gospel Principles p. 11 and 17-18 (1992 version)
"All men and women are...literally the sons and daughters of Deity...Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared up to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body" (Joseph F. Smith, "The Origin of Man," Improvement Era, Nov. 1901, pp. 78, 80). Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ, so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual children of our heavenly parents, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so, we can become perfect, just as they are.

We understood that we would have to leave our heavenly home for a time. We would not live in the presence of our heavenly parents. While we were away from them, all of us would sin and some of us would lose our way. Our Heavenly Father knew and loved each one of us. He knew we would need help, so he planned a way to help us.
We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, "Whom shall I send?" Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, "Here am I, send me." 
Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself our sins. He, like our Heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father's commandments. He knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, "Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever" (Moses 4:2).
Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying "Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor" (Moses 4:1). Satan wanted to force us all to do his will. Under his plan, we would not be allowed to choose. He would take away the freedom of choice that our Father had given us. Satan wanted to have all the honor for our salvation. After hearing both sons speak, Heavenly Father said, "I will send the first." Jesus Christ was chosen and ordained to be our Savior...

     Journal of Discourses (JD), Vol. 4, p. 218
When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me. And a difference there is between our Father and us consists in that he has gained His exaltation, and has obtained eternal lives... (JD 4:218, Brigham Young, February 8; 1857)

     Mormon Doctrine, p. 516
How did the other Mormon Gods become Gods? In part by celestial marriage--a mandatory Mormon ordinance. Some Mormon authorities have insisted God and Jesus were both married: "This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in plainness by the First Presidency of the Church (Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund) when, in speaking of pre-existence and the origin of man, they said that 'man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father,' that man is the 'offspring of celestial parentage,' and that 'all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity." (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516 by LDS Elder, and later LDS Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie.)

     Alma 7:10
And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem.....

     Bernard P. Brockbank said:
"It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a Different Jesus Christ than is worshiped by the Mormons or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (LDS Seventy, Bernard P. Brockbank, Ensign, May 1977, p. 26)

As you can see, the entire foundation of Christianity is the doctrine of the Trinity, and any religion that teaches any doctrine other than the Trinity does not teach Christianity. The LDS church obviously teaches another gospel. I was completely devastated when I found this out. You can look at any Biblical Christian religion and find that their main tenet, usually the first one, is the Trinity and any religion that denies the Trinity denies Christianity.

The truth is important not because it is simply true. It is important because truth is what defines whom and what we believe. Is Jesus the brother of the devil as in Mormonism? Is he an angel who became a man? Or is He the creator of the universe, second person of the Trinity? Only one is right.
Faith is vital. But faith placed in something false is the same as having no faith at all. Faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. That is why it is important to have the true Jesus. The one of the Bible, not the one of Mormonism.

Eternity is a long time to be wrong, especially when it is about Jesus.

Every LDS I speak to insists that there is Only One Jesus. I completely agree with them without a shadow of a doubt. However, what they do not insist on is that the LDS Jesus could possibly be different than the Biblical Jesus. Not only does Mormonism deny the Trinity, I'm not even sure the church knows the true definition of the Trinity.

In Mormonism, Man became God...In Christianity, God became Man...Only one of these can be right.

The LDS teaching of My Savior is extremely offensive to me, and I disagree with the LDS church 999% in their doctrine of who Jesus is. There is no question in my mind that who you worship exceeds how, when, or where you worship, and if you are worshiping the wrong Jesus, then everything else after that is automatically wrong, no matter how right it seems to be to you.

Most people believe that LDS worship the same God and Jesus as Christianity. However, it is clear that this is not true. Many people, especially LDS, do not realize that it is possible to follow a false Jesus; A Jesus that differs from the Actual Savior. It is clear that the LDS Jesus is completely different from the Christian Jesus. Since LDS agree that there is only One Savior, one of these two has to be false. Which one is false?

My unanswered questions were:

How can the LDS church insist that they believe in the Jesus of the Bible when they clearly believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Which Jesus is the right Jesus; the Jesus that IS God in human form or the Jesus that is Satan's brother?

I was initially devastated when I received these answers, yet overjoyed to find the truth that Jesus Christ IS God in human form and any other teaching is false and denies Who Jesus Christ really is!


  1. Greetings

    "Which Jesus is the right Jesus; the Jesus that IS God or the Jesus that is Satan's brother?"

    Answer: NEITHER!

    Rather, the right Jesus is the 'Jesus' whom
    the ONE GOD revealed, that is:

    Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said,
    I am the Son of God?

    John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    Therefore who is the Father?

    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know
    thee the only true God,
    and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    Thus ...

    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
    the man Christ Jesus;

    So Jesus is 'not GOD' but rather
    he is the human Son OF GOD.

    Therefore, on the subject of the Trinity and who Jesus truly is;
    I recommend this video:
    The Human Jesus

    Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you in your quest for truth.

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

  2. Adam Pastor,
    Thank you for your comment and taking the time to read my blog and help me on my journey. I am still quite lost, but looking for the right path. I am looking forward to watching this video.
    Thank you!
    In Christ,